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Kagame: I have not asked anyone to change constitution for me

While Rwanda’s parliament goes through the motions of amending the constitution to allow Paul Kagame to run for a third term, the President granted New African a wide-ranging interview in which he addresses the hot topic and issues of peace and justice following the 1994 genocide. 

Q: As a president and a man, what spurs you on?

A: Well, I guess, many things; some of which I cannot easily explain. In fact it is a combination of things. It is a combination of the person and the environment. For me, therefore, I think I have benefitted from the many hardships I have grown up in, and maybe the character also. But for the character sometimes you can’t say you are responsible for it, maybe it is somebody’s nature, your parents’ for example, that you inherited, something that you have no control over.

But the combination is what drives me. If you grow up in an environment of hardship, it either breaks you or you resist it. You push it back and stand up to all the challenges it throws at you. And you find that you are driven by the urge to succeed and turn things around.

I lived through hardships in my early life as a refugee and later in the rebel struggles in Uganda and Rwanda. It has been a case of fighting for our rights all the time. It has almost become a way of life that you don’t get anything for free. For us, we have had to fight our way through the jungle, through politics, and through a lot of the things you see in the world.

Q: There is no dispute about the fact that Rwanda has changed for the better under your leadership. Looking back on this 21-year work, again, what motivates you?

A: Once you confront many challenges and progress is made, when one step of progress leads to another and to another, you feel that what you are doing is worth your energy and therefore it becomes an encouragement to keep doing what you can do. There is satisfaction in seeing that other people’s lives are being impacted in a positive way, and this gives you more energy, which drives you on.

I can see where my country has come from 21 years ago and where we are today. We can see that there is hope in the future. We want Rwanda to become prosperous, we want it to be stable, we want the people to become what they want to be. The story between 1994 and 2015 is so encouraging to everybody, myself included. It shows that no problem is insurmountable, and that if we can overcome ours, then whatever lies ahead of anybody anywhere can be confronted and overcome.

Q: Last October, in your address to Chatham House, you made a statement that in Rwanda today,  people trust each other. In your view, has the country turned the corner?

A: Absolutely, these stories are true; they are backed by evidence, by facts. The stories about the industriousness of Rwandans and their resilience, the confidence they have in themselves, and the trust that has been built around that, coupled with the results on the ground vis-à-vis where we have come from, and weighed against the context of a continent that is struggling… I think the country has turned the corner for sure. Better things lie ahead.   

Q: Rwanda is famous for having one of the highest numbers of women in parliament, in government and in other positions of power. What is it like working with so many women? Do they bring something different to decision-making and getting things done?

A: We always talk about equality and respect for life, and in Rwanda we want to translate it in real terms into something that works for us. I always say that the many problems in our history have taught us lessons, and we use these lessons to rationalise what we do, why we do it, and so on. So if you take our women, who form 52% of the population, it is important that we don’t leave them behind in whatever we do. Perhaps we understand this better than anybody because of our history.

Given where we are coming from, we need everybody’s contribution, and therefore we cannot forget our women, 52% of the population, they have a lot to offer and they bring a lot to national development. Secondly, it is an issue of rights. Women have rights like anyone else, and if we recognise that both men and women have the same rights, then we are better off for that.

But specifically on your question, much as we are talking about equality, we also realise that men and women definitely have different things to offer, so it is better to bring them together. For women in positions of responsibility, whether in cabinet or parliament or outside parliament, they bring a difference and it works very well in terms of complementarity. Women are as capable as men in everything, but women bring less rough edges in doing things and in managing issues than men [he smiles knowingly]. So …

Q:  … So they don’t give you a hard time?

A: [Laughs]. It is not so much as giving me a hard time, they are carrying out the same tasks as the men and doing the same things that we want in society. But if what they do comes without other costs, then you prefer that. Women tend to be more rational and operate more smoothly than men. While men will do some unnecessary things because they can afford to do them in a society that allows them to do so, women don’t.

So these qualities of women help add value to what we are doing. And we can’t talk dismissively about women as if they are peripheral people; these are our mothers, daughters, sisters, and wives. They are part of us. Men and women live together in homes, so by bringing them together, I am better able to manage things, better than telling them to stay aside and allow men to do the job. And after all is done, we go back home and find a woman. So it doesn’t make sense to leave them out. 

Q: You are of the view that Africa has to drive its own agenda, because Africa has a lot to teach the world. But in your Chatham House address, you said outsiders strongly opposed your attempt to use Rwanda’s traditional Gacaca system for resolving conflicts, to tackle genocide cases here. So what was their problem?

A: You see, we live in a world that I think needs constant reforms and redefinition of things and not to assume or take it that some people are superior than others, and therefore they set the standard and everyone else must follow. The world is such that there are different places and different people managing different kinds of talents. What that calls for is for people to work together rather than saying what works for them, they have set it as a standard and everyone else’s must fit in. That won’t work, because people are managing different problems in different places. So what works for you may not necessarily works for me.

So with the Gacaca system, the outsiders opposed it simply because they said it did not fit the international standard. And we asked them: “What is the international standard in trying genocide cases in a society where one section of the people has killed the other section, and there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of cases to bring to court?”

To add insult to injury, the magnitude of the problem in and of itself posed a huge problem because of the sheer numbers involved. So while we wanted justice for victims, we wanted at the same time to bring reconciliation. But these two important processes go against each other, and there is always a collision course. 

Q: A kind of Catch-22 situation?

A: Exactly. So we said to the outsiders: “Honestly, do you know what you are talking about?” If the international standard means you have to take every genocide case to the normal courts, in Rwanda we didn’t really have a functioning judiciary at the time; everything was completely destroyed. Even if we had the best judiciary in the world, trying millions of cases would have taken thousands of years.

So we said to the outsiders: “We have traditional ways of resolving our problems, though never before of this magnitude. In the end what we are looking for is what works for us and allows people to live together in the future.” Then we said: “Okay, maybe you think we are wrong, so give us a specific solution to apply.” And they had none, absolutely none, because they were aware that they couldn’t tell us to first create a functioning judiciary and only then try the perpetrators of genocide.

Interestingly, these outsiders are the ones who say, and I believe in that, that justice must be seen to be done. Then we said: “Okay, while we have this disagreement, let’s continue debating the issues, but for us, we can’t wait to resolve the problems of genocide to allow us to continue living together in the future.”

So that is what we did. And they continued complaining about the Gacaca courts which eventually tried nearly 2 million cases and allowed people to go back to their rural homes and wherever, and settle down with each other. This is why today we have the stability you see in this country, which allows us to go about our developmental activities.

Q: The Gacaca system in fact allowed both perpetrators and victims to sit together and resolve issues, so it made the work of the government easier, did it not?

A: It did, absolutely. That is another good thing about the Gacaca process. It allows both victims and perpetrators to sit together to resolve their problems. It is not like the normal court system where one side accuses the other, and the other defends itself and then waits for the judge to pronounce judgement. No. In the Gacaca system, the victims and perpetrators are the ones at the centre of the process.

As a result, we achieved perpetrators standing up and saying: “We are sorry, we are actually the ones who killed such and such a family, we will take you and show you where we threw their bodies or buried them.” They would literally bow in front of the victims and say, “We are sorry”. But this is something that some outsider would simply, by a stroke of his magical pen, say does not meet the international standard, so Rwanda is blah, blah, blah. But it worked for us. It has allowed this country to heal.

Q: And just look at the juxtaposition of the two cases. This is 1994 in Rwanda and 1994 in South Africa, where President Nelson Mandela came into power and reconciliation was the buzzword. In South Africa, reconciliation via forgiveness and national healing was hailed worldwide because the perpetrators were white, but in Rwanda your attempt to seek justice and reconciliation via the Gacaca system did not meet the international standard because the perpetrators were black. This is where your idea of Africa driving its own agenda becomes pertinent, doesn’t it?

A: Yes, absolutely. We really came under fire. Incredible fire! But we stayed the course, we insisted on saying: “We believe we are doing the right thing, the right thing that works for us and we are not going to deviate from it.” In the end, the Gacaca process allowed our people to settle down. It doesn’t mean that [the result] is perfect, far from it. We never told anybody that what we were doing was perfect, but it gave us the best we could expect from our own situation, as we dealt with the most complicated problem we had at hand.

Q: I hope Africa is going to learn a lesson from your experience, because we just cannot be pushed around all the time by outsiders.

A: Not all the time, not on things that affect our own lives. It is here that things tend to push me to the extreme end because I don’t think that human beings, self-respecting people, [allow that] and I keep asking myself what do Africans lack in order to be these wobbly kind of people and [a] society who will keep bowing to anything and anybody and just complain, instead of taking the bull by the horns and doing something about their own situations. I never find reasons for that. I don’t see why we do it as a people. That is why for me, when it comes to such things, you can count on me to be the extreme end, whatever that means. I have no room for accepting it.   

Q: In 2011, my colleague, Hichem Ben Yaiche, interviewed you for the New African April issue, and asked you this direct question about your re-election in 2010: “Will you step down at the end of this 7-year mandate which is effectively your last term in office, as provided for by the constitution?” Your answer was very emphatic: “Our constitution is clear on term limits. I have no intention, and no desire, to disrespect the constitution.” This morning I read in one of the local newspapers that 3.7 million Rwandans have signed a petition asking you to run for a third term when your two terms end in 2017. So what has changed, Mr President? Are the 3.7 million people not coaxing you to “disrespect the constitution”? What have you said to them?

A: Before I say anything to them, I say something to you. The statement I made in the 2011 interview still holds true for me today. First, I have not – and you can investigate it by asking anybody – I have not sought or asked anybody to change the constitution for me. No. I am not part of this exercise as you see it. So I see people writing that Kagame is seeking a third term. No, I am not seeking anything. 

Second, the 3.7 million Rwandans who have signed the petition and the many others besides, are the ones who are saying, let’s change the constitution – after all, we wrote it in the first place. It is not me! Therefore, if, for them, they think they are going to change the constitution, that is their business. I respect the constitution, and will continue to respect the constitution made by the people.

Now let me work on the scenario of playing the devil’s advocate and say I actually made the request to run for a third term, and so when the constitution is changed, I would fit in there. At that point, when the constitution is indeed changed and I run for a third term, I will have respected its new demands, because a constitution is what the people make. But here, the difference as against other cases, is that it is the people who want to change the constitution, not me, the president.

Q: That may be true, but how do you convince people that the push for a third term is not being remote-controlled by State House?

A: I will tell you. In some cases in Africa you may have a leader who gives the impression that people want him to stay, but in reality they want him to go. He may present himself and say, people want me. That is how sometimes it has led to problems in certain countries.

But if there was a way of knowing the truth and the people really want him to stay, there should be no problem. The problem only comes when some leaders, and their friends and families, are the ones who engineer the push. But I can assure you that in our case the push is not coming from me or my family or friends. 

Q: The people of Rwanda, as I understand it, are saying this man has been a good president for us, we still want him to continue. What’s bad about this?

A: I find nothing wrong with that, and that is why I am saying people are distorting the whole argument when they say Kagame wants a third term. I have told nobody that I want anything, believe me. As such I have simply stayed away from the whole thing. I have not been part of it and the simple reason is, I want to really be sure of what is going on.

I have had discussions with my party cadres, 2,000 of them in one room, made up of the who’s who in our party leadership, and I have told them: “Please be sober about this, let’s be sure that we are dealing with the real thing, and not people trying to influence this or that for their own interests.” I said to them: “I want to be sure about this, I want to be sure about the process, about the facts, about the realities.” That is when I will come up with my own decision, a decision which will come to me as a person who is able to make his own decisions.

This is why I have left the 3.7 million people and the many others to play it out, to convince themselves and convince others that what we are dealing with is the real thing and that it is not fake or manipulated. This is why I am saying even to you as a journalist and an analyst and somebody coming from outside our country, that you are doing us a good service in trying to understand the nuances and the whole detail of this issue, so that we know the reality of what we are dealing with. And maybe it is going to end up being another case where Rwanda charts its own course and lives by it and reaps the benefits of it, or faces the consequences.

Q: Good. But let me say that even the USA, which Africa is following so blindly, only introduced term limits in 1951 – a good 175 years after its independence from Britain, and this only after the USA had become a superpower. So why can’t Africans likewise do what suits us?

A: It is the problem of Africa. The African mind is still trapped in the past, the colonial past. Slavery and colonialism did a lot of damage to the African. He never believes in his own rights or thinks he is ever right. He always sees right in what happens elsewhere. It is a mindset issue. And it is a serious matter. So the African always seeks validation from the outside. It is a big problem!

They [outsiders] are mixing a couple of things. Among us Africans, there are people who make very serious mistakes. And these people include leaders in power, how they came to power, how they have exercised power, and maybe they have term limits and have ended up messing up and changing the constitution because they say people want them when people actually want them to go. And therefore this triggers a problem where people say: “Oh this man did terrible things, now he wants another term, so God forbid.” And they take this particular case and extrapolate it and make it apply to all Africa.

Q: A kind of one-size-fits-all solution?

A: Absolutely. And this is the problem. They say: “Oh, there is another African coming, he is like the other one”. So the term limit issue becomes the standard for the African, when in fact it is, or should be, the problem in a few particular cases. They forget that other cases in Africa may be different, which again triggers another thing: In Europe, for example, there are no term limits in the UK or Germany and in almost all the European countries. Even Australia has no term limits.

But here in Africa, the issue is almost a given, a God-given right; so term limits can happen so seamlessly here because we don’t have leaders who are not dictators, who don’t want to cling to power, who don’t manipulate things. So no term limits becomes the preserve of others, not the African.

And yet the African accepts it and says: “Oh, you know, those outside Africa can do whatever they want, but here in Africa things cannot be like that. If there are no term limits, a bad leader can manipulate things and perpetuate himself in power, and we will find it difficult to remove him.”

So the African takes refuge in that and doesn’t even ask: “How does it work in Germany? How does it work in the UK? Why don’t we do it here too and make sure it works?” We deprive ourselves of the right and ability to actually achieve it by simply saying: “No, for us, you know, we are Country X, Country Y, we are laymen, and somebody will come and stay forever even when they are doing the wrong things, so let’s agree with the Western world that we should have term limits as a way of protecting ourselves from ourselves [laughs].

They say they are protecting themselves from themselves by binding themselves with what is being suggested by the West. This is a real problem. And the confusion prevails. The insanity prevails. Apart from that, there is no reason why Africa cannot chart its own course.    

Q: So what can we do in Africa?

A: Many things. You see the mess in even Western countries which are advanced in so-called democracy, however they define it. Just look at the problems they are facing even now. So I fail to understand what they advocate as a perfect democratic system. I don’t know which one it is. Even for them, democracy manifests in different forms. It is never in one form. But they come to Africa and just kick anybody they meet on the way into line.

For me, I don’t know which democracy the West advocates. They have term limits in the USA, and no term limits in almost all of Europe. So which version are they saying Africa should go for? The American one or the European one?

Q: And yet these days the fashion in Africa is to look at the Asian Tigers and say we want to be like them. But we forget that the founding fathers who created the Asian Tigers stayed in power for a long time. They may have been elected from time to time, but they did stay for a long time to be able to build the miracle economies and countries we yearn to re-create in Africa. So how do we square the circle?

A: You know, I have a friend who came from the West to tell me how he had heard that the people of Rwanda wanted me to remain for another term, so he was advising me not to follow what the people are saying. But he contradicted himself by saying that what he thought best for me was to be like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore. So I asked him, “What did Lee Kuan Yew do?” He said he did this and that and retired.

I said: “You are actually mixing up your whole argument. In other words, you are actually saying I should continue in office, because I haven’t yet reached the 32 years that Lee Kuan Yew served. And even today Lee Kuan Yew’s son is the prime minister. Is that what you want me to do?” I said: “You are introducing a whole new idea to me without even knowing that if I should follow the path you are suggesting to me, you will later oppose it. So we are following our own path.”

Then, another one, an American, told me: “You know, you should be like George Washington, he was a general like you, admired by everybody, and when they asked him to run for a second term, he said no.”

And I said to him: “But somebody may come and say, why don’t you be like F.D. Roosevelt? He went for four terms and was actually elected each time by the American people. And Roosevelt came long after Washington.”

So I asked him: “In your history what do you blame Roosevelt for? Do you think he was not a great leader?” He said he was. So I said, “Why do you think what works for you can’t work for others? It’s like you choose from your own system what to impose on others. But there are things that worked for you, and if I choose what worked for you, you say no, let me choose for you what will work for you. That is wrong.”

Q: Now, let me ask you a direct question. At the end of the process, when the constitutional commission has finished its work and the people asked you to stay for another term, what would you do?

A: I have remained open to that. Even with the statement I made in the 2011 interview with your colleague, I knew in my mind that I should be careful about it, when I said I respected the constitution. Respecting the constitution means respecting the constitution that is there [he taps the arm of his chair for emphasis], at that time [still tapping the arm of his chair], and that it has come in the manner it should. Not manipulated. Not tampered with. By people other than those who should. You see what I mean?

So your question about staying if asked by the people, I remain open to it as long as all the things I have described above are legitimate and right. If I discover today that there is manipulation going on, there is somebody playing games to fit me into whatever they want, I will just tell them, forget it. But if it is genuine and convincing and legitimate, I am open to the idea of staying. Yes.

This is why I want these things to play out the best they can, so that I can make my own decision, because I have a decision to make at one point.

And I have always spoken to my people, as I said to the party cadres and so on, and I have told them: “You need to act rationally, you need to think properly and always expect that even something you don’t like may happen”. So they must be prepared for all kinds of scenarios.

Q: In fact, I read that it has happened before?

A: Yes. So I was even preparing to say, don’t be surprised to come to me and I say no, because that has happened before by the way. You remember after the genocide in 1994, I was not the first president. But everything qualified me to be, meaning everybody wanted me to be; between the opposition and our party, they wanted me to be.

You remember there was an earlier Arusha Agreement, which had brought in opposition parties and our group, the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF). The RPF almost took it for granted that I was the president because I was the commander of the forces that fought in the bush and I was also number two in the political leadership of the RPF, which by the way also happened by default because our first leader had been killed at the beginning of the war in October 1990.

In fact when our first leader [Fred Rwigyema] was killed, I was number three. There was the chairman who was the commander who got killed, there was the vice chairman [Pasteur Bizimungu], and I was there.

When the commander and chairman died, everybody came to me and said you must take over. I said “No, there is the vice chairman”. And what made it difficult for us was that when the vice chairman heard that the chairman had died and there were problems at the warfront, he kind of ran away. He went into hiding literally. He actually went to Tanzania, lay low, and disappeared.

Q: And you didn’t want to take over?

A: No. I told them to go and look for the vice chairman.  So they went to look for him, and after a hard struggle they got him to accept coming back. That was during the war. Then after the war, when everybody had assumed that I was going to be the president, I said, “No, I am not prepared, give me any other role and I will play it.” So that is how our former president, Bizimungu, came in, until after 6 years when he ran into problems with parliament for the things he had done.  I became president in 2000.

But for me this whole issue of being president, clearly doesn’t appeal so much to me. But for all that I have done to serve my people, and even to serve my own conscience, if the people say to me, “President, you are tired or we are tired of you, you must go”, I will go that very day. I wouldn’t give anybody trouble at all.

And this is what makes me say if the current push to make me stay plays out to my satisfaction, that there are no games being played, that it is genuine, and also people are not becoming too dependent on me, and that they have a genuine problem, maybe they need time to choose another leader but now is not the time, I remain open to the idea of staying. But I am not the one driving it. NA

  • Anna Rutagengwaova

    Interesting, questions deeply responded, I will vote yes in referendum. As for the presidential election will wait if Mr. Kagame will be the candidate and who will run for the same post. But as today I am sure at 90% that I will vote for him. Good job Mr. Kagame. We are keeping the pace with you.

    • Jean

      If we are a country where you plan to study and you do it, to do business and you do it and if there is a room to keep it in that way why do we do it so? At least we have to appreciate his innovations in leadership, directive decisions and policies. Don’t thing in Rwanda we need democracy as it is written in dictionaries or encyclopedias, Legacy of Rwandans needs a man like Kagame; our President today and tomorrow. He has never asked any body to change the constitution and if more than 50% wanted that change, who can stop their fillings? Let be realistic and conclude on this, just wait for the decision of Rwandans. This is different from what is happening in other African countries where president changes the constitution. I know most of the time, people tend to be negative, but think twice. If Rwandans have signed the petition to change the constitution and it is worth why not be implementing what people wanted of the Government works for the people?

  • mwiza

    This is a very nice article indeed it shows again the uniqueness and originality of our president. It’s very true he is not the one driving the process of changing the constitution he didn’t even ask people to change it, it’s the will of his people. We appreciate the work he has done, his visionary leadership. Let’s Rwandan decide the future of this country

  • Ana

    That lie from hell!! His solders threatens citizens forcing them yo vote for him as we all know if there was democracy in Rwanda he would not evdn reach 10% of election!!

    • Dalida

      Really?? hahahaha let me lough at you! We will vote for him again and again and again. He is the best President Rwanda has ever had (probably the rest of Africa never had a one like him) no one is forcing us, be sure!

    • Int

      I doubt you are Rwandan or at the very least ever been to Rwanda. This man did great things for Rwandan people and whether or not he decides to run again he’ll remain a hero in Rwandans’ hearts. As for his soldiers threatening citizens, that never happened. Every citizen elected whoever they wanted personally. The voting system was so good and transparent that no one would know who you voted for.

    • Ineza Aimable

      “…as we all know…”!!!! Realistically, can soldiers stand by you as you cast a ballot “…as we all know…”? Have you ever cast a vote? Would you have ever accepted even anyone to come 1 meter near you during the exercise? Or you also want to say that “we all know” that the process is different in Rwanda!?!?!

    • Damas Rugaba

      I have come to grow and observe things in a more global perspective than I used to do 15 years ago when I moved to the US. The likes of Ana who can’t even sign in their last names are screamers in the ocean who have felt to do a simple research on all world’s indicators to see how far Rwanda has come under President Kagame’s leadership. I don’t mind criticisms but I despise snippets from hearsays like Ana’s. If you want to criticize, do your research and back your criticism with facts. You still have the mindset president Kagame talked about.

    • Benoit KALISA

      You so called Ana, a narrow minded person just talking nonsenses…And,by the way – whoever thinks contrary to the will of Rwandans by telling rubbish…shoulg rather go to hell…

      Now,we’re waiting for our lovely messiah to tell what he think(his answer)on the whole nation’s roquets – that’s where/when there will be issues if te reply comes by negative!!!God forbid as that could be catastrophic.

      We believe in Our Almighty God,He is in control, nothing bad else will happen again in our country. He is there the Commanding In Chief HE Paul KAGAME,We are there too,our kids (the new generation) are there, true friends (foreigners & neighbours) are there…

      I use to ask myself : where will he be going? In fact,his presence itseff is a big threat to killers and their supporters. Fortunately,we know him very well,he can’t go anywhere because of you and all your rubbishes.he can’t do it,he can’t abandon the nation the same way he was always on all form of battlefields and never withdrew in front of the enemies!So seeing him alive going just because of rubbish and other nonsenses then go get engaged in other business abandoning to lead us!!!No way,he will remain there until he’s tired,when himself want to go without influences,after we have been convinced or when going on retirement.

      Do you think we are afraid and can be fucked listening to whoever with intention to dictate us on what to do?

      We know,he has a final word on this, and we real patriots and freedom fighters,really believes he will make a right choice,definetly replying by a big YES.

      At that time,you all narrow-minded individuals with nonsenses should choose go to hell,because you will still see his face,the one that you don’t like/hate of a humble person, who is worldwide recognized and respected by important personalities.

      God bless Rwanda,the Nation,the RDF&RNP and particulary the H.E,our Commanding In Chief.

  • Benoit KALISA

    Many thanks to the writer,
    Many thanks to our lovely President,

    Well,I had worries when readig at a certain extent but the most important thing to me I just fetch is summarized in this:”…and that they have a genuine problem, maybe they need time to choose another leader but now is not the time, I remain open to the idea of staying…”.

    Thank you very much and much blessings.

  • Japhet Mwaya

    Mr. Paul Kagame will certainly go down in history as one of the best presidents Africa has ever had. He has won political, social and economic stability in Rwanda. However, I am totally against the idea of changing the national constitution to legalize his lust for power. The national constitution is a holy thing. Meddling with it to accommodate individual lust is selfishness. Good leadership means obeying the constitution. By 2017, Kagame will have stayed in power for 17 years-which is considerably an ample time for a good leader like him. After all the true test of a good leader to produce more leaders. Why doesn’t he show us the leaders he has produced? Kagame is no god, he won’t live forever. We appreciate his greatest contribution in building the new Rwanda. He has indeed laid a very strong foundation for the nation. It is now high time he stepped down to see how his successors build on his foundation.

    • Patrick

      Mr. Japhet, the ” national” constitution did not fall from the sky, it was put in place by the people, the same people, “we” Rwandans are asking for it to be amended. can you get that in your head, using the term “lust” refering to President Kagame is simply malecious and unfair. He’s a very genuine man who’ll sucrify all for his country.

      • Japhet Mwaya

        Thank you, Mr. Patrick, for writing back. Actually I admire President Kagame. He is one of Africa’s great leader. My point is he should produce other leaders of his caliber to see their performance in his life time. If he clings to power against the constitutional demands, when will he live to see the performance of the leaders he has groomed? His greatest kindness to Rwanda is to produce other Kagames.

        • Patrick

          Thank you Mr. Japhet, you’re entitled to express whichever view you may wish, or can insist President Kagame is the architec behind this demand to amend the paragraph in the constitution, but let me once again say this to you, before you draw your conclusion you have to critically study the journey Rwanda has traveled from 1994 to the present day, the challenges, achievements aspirations and goals(vision of a new Rwanda) by rwandans. Why are foreigners so concerned about rwandans making choices of who they want to lead them? I have lived in Europe(Danmark) for the last 20 yrs, and I have participated in several national elections. I have witnessed a party contesting and winning elections under the same leader for four consecutive terms until they lost when they contested for for 5th time, infact this goes to most of the so called advanced democracies. if it can work for them why not us. I do not know which part of the world yuo happen to find yourself, but I can guess. Rwandans are the shapers of our country’s destiny, take your mindset elsewhere you do not have any idea about this what you’re saying.

      • geoffrey dereva

        thanks alot Mr Patrick,

        let them keep on shouting,H/E likes his people than any other thing.thanks alot

    • Detlef

      Mr. Japhet,
      I think there is one important thing you do not get.
      Neither does Mr. Kagame have “lust” for power, nor does he “hang on” to power by all means.

      As for now it is the “ordinary” citizens of Rwanda who want to change the constitution and they have all the rights to do so since they believe it is the best for them at this time!

      It is quiet disgusting when people try to read things into something which are not there, it is quiet disgusting when people try to see things which are not there and through that want to try to take away the good things the citizens of Rwanda want for themselves.

    • Africain

      you know, France has change his constitution 3 times at least from the end of second WW, USA changed its own 3 years after the 2nd WW. Kagame already give you the rigth answer: ” He never believes in his own rights or thinks he is ever right. He always sees right in what happens elsewhere. It is a mindset issue. And it is a serious matter. So the African always seeks validation from the outsider”

  • Daniel

    Great leaders like Kagame are rare, the history can tell!! The longer they can be in business the better for their nation. Even in the bible leader like Moise, Abraham and Paul have not succeeded by other great leaders. Rwanda still needs Kagame to continue the navigation of Rwanda through this turbulent political weather of Great lakes region. Constitution is for people not the people for the constitution. It is people’s tool for their benefit. If the people decides to change it for their benefit, no one should challenge them. The biggest mistake is to apply a “copy paste model”, the “one fits all system”. Monarchy has been abolished in Rwanda and Burundi not because the population needed another system but because the colonial wanted the republic, he forced to get it by pseudo-democratic process. Kagame is still the best fit for the Rwanda of this time as far as I am concerned. Everyone should leave the liberty to Rwandans to decide about their future without interference. Angel Merkel is at her third term, does it make Germany less democratic. Is UK less democratic for not limiting terms? Are kingdoms bad governance systems necessarily? Everything rises and falls on leadership. What matters is the right leader to drive the country on the right direction in the best interest of the population. Kagame has tried his best. Rwanda still needs him to take it to an other level. Many african countries would wish to have KAGAME, why Rwanda would not have the right allow him to continue the work he has started for some other years?

  • Innocent

    Ntawuruhunga

    I feel so sad for rwandans. Unless rwandans are a different human human creature , it is hard to believe that, unless under duress, they could genuinely plead to Kagame to remain in power. This is why:

    1. He started a war that led to what came to be called the 1st Africa world in 1996 – 1998 that has cost more 6 congolese lives . the biggest humanitarian disaster since the 2nd world war.

    2, During that war his army was involved in a systematic elimination of an estimated 200,000 hutu refugees as contained in UN Mapping report ( DRC: Mapping human rights violations 1993-2003: )

    3. His army killed in cold blood more than 4000 displaced people in Kibeho camp http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/peacekeeping/anecdotes/kibeho.html

    4. a report by UNHCR Team headed by Robert Gersony estimated that from April to August 1994, the Rwandan Patriotic Front systematically killed between 25,000 and 45,000 Hutus as it made its way toward Kigali

    5. The final Report (Document S/2002/1146) of the UN Panel of Experts on the Illegal Exploitation of Natural Resources and other Forms of Wealth of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Rwanda has become the gateway through which the strategic mineral resources of the eastern provinces of the Democratic Republic of Congo reach the international market. This is an economic crime.

    6. The Kagame regime has become the biggest exporter of refugees in the whole history of Rwanda

    7. Contrary to the government narrative the RPF led by Kagame opposed military intervention n Rwanda to stop genocide for fear that it would interfere with his military victory ( (http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/rwanda/#P798_250014).

    8. despite the story of economic miracle the UN Human Development Index 2011 shows how this progress has bypassed the majority of the population . According to the report even though the human development index value of 0.429 was achieved by Rwanda in 2011.when it is adjusted to take into account the inequality level recorded in 2011, that human development level would be reduced to 0.276, almost the same level as it was back in 1980.

    9. criticising government is a crime: A press law was introduced in 2002 which introduced
    crimes punishable with lengthy imprisonment for publishing information that is
    “either untrue, disrespectful of the President, a threat to law, order and public decency, or damages the reputation of the public authorities”. Those who tried to challenge the regime like Mrs Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza are in jail or in exile or killed like Colonel Patrick Karegeya

    10. The regime has taken the decision to hunt down any critics outside Rwanda and as the US State Department has pointed out there is a pattern in the intimidation, threats and extra judicial executions of critics that “that suggests the Rwandan government may have come to see the violent silencing of critics—irrespective of geographical location and host country—as a beleaguered country’s prerogative”.
    as I write now I am taking a risk of being hunted down by Kagame security agents .

    These are a just a few credentials of President Kagame.

    It is reasonable to suggest that these are the credentials that would make rwandans so desperate to plead to President Paul Kagame to remain in power?

    The least I can suggest would that rwandans have been caught by “stockholm syndrome

  • Sylvere

    President Kagame is great! He simply know how to talk. P.K in the name of the Rwandans, I say ” we will never get tired of you” simply because you never been tired of us. In the struggle you would have quit but you did not, you chose you save lives and we will simply keep you until you get tired of us instead! We want you to stay in the office until 70% of families get connected to the power grid and I am sure you did you best.

    In 1998-2000, 80% of death were due to Malaria. But today we are a country free of malaria. How about illiteracy rate which was 70% and now it is reverse!

    Health insurance scheme which covered our medical bills? I do not want to leave a free ambulance drive behind from the top of mountains to the foot of mountains carrying those in critical conditions to get treated! Kagame you are simply amazing

    Thanks for opening the door to investors from everywhere and making rwanda a country in which doing business is most feasible and easy. But CUT THE TAX ON THE IMPORTED CARS SO THAT WE BUY THEM! I ma tired of a motorcycle in a every single morning to reach my office. Also, try to be Pushy of the WASAC/UCL guys to give us a reliable power/electricity and water. KUVOMA BURI GITONDO BIRATUBANGAMIYE!

    • Innocent

      Hitler did wonders for Germans, it did not prevent him from being a criminal causing the killing of 6 million jews, kagame has caused the death of more people. Add the numbers in the Great Lakes Region. Hitler still has admirers, So you are not alone
      sylvere

  • Jahrateng Skabelli

    Kagame sure knows his (western) history & politics from his sharp answers! Indeed Africans have a right to chart their own course without supine fealty to hypocritical, manipulating self-appointed preachers of democracy. If we can believe him-that this groundswell for his stay is the majority Rwandese wish-then we cannot begrudge their prerogative. It is the Rwandese who know if it is coming from the ground…The issue of Congo is however a blight on his record.

    • Innocent

      Jahrateng
      you are missing a point. Who are those rwandans who are asking him to stay ?
      how do you gauge the popularity of a leader in a repressive system: where anyone who challenges government policy is considered an enemy of the people, put in jail . killed or forced to run into exile? Forget about the western manipulation and examine the universal declaration of human rights, the international convention on political and civil rights and tell me if those rights are the luxury of the people in the West.
      What people want, whatever name you what to give democracy or other name is freedom not tyranny. rule of law not secret police, dignity as a human being not just food on the table like animals with no higher ambitions.
      Let Paul Kagame account for the following:
      1. Funding a murderous rebel group M23 in the DRC
      2. loss of 6 million congolese in war that he triggered
      3. slaughter by his army of an estimated 200,000 hutu refugees in the DRC
      4. murder of 4000 of his citizens in Kibeho.
      All this is documented by independent international bodies including the UN. And you think this does not matter. If so we should forget the whole idea about humanity.
      The rest about understanding the history of Europe or giving good answers is not a big deal. We know people who can do better.

      Do you find it possible that in a country of 11 million no one feels capable of leading Rwanda, even those who claim to in opposition parties? This is an insult to rwandans. This shows how deep the repression has succeeded in making people feel worthless.
      Saying the west should not shout when africans decide to kill their own people is fundamentally wrong. It is everyone responsibility to say no.

      • Jahrateng Skabelli

        Innocent, I don’t think I missed the point-I think I was fairly clear on:
        a) If it is really true that this is a grassroot/majority Rwandese wish
        b) My last sentence covers the issues of Congo you have listed.
        Time will tell…
        My issue really was that we Africans have as much right as anybody else to chart our course as we see fit. Of course justice must be our guide-therein lies the litmus test.
        Again, time will tell…

    • exa

      His sharp answers are empty rhetoric. The West plays deaf to his tirades because he backs them with the genocide which is one of his best seller helping him to hold a grip on power. Other than that his best achievement is 6 million deaths in African great lakes region.
      The guy protects western interests by helping their corporations to loot Congo. He is a nobody African president that would be flashed out in a blink of an eye as soon as they see him as a foe to Euro-American interests.

      • Jahrateng Skabelli

        exa, I think it is rather clear that my remarks on the (ostensible) Rwandese yearnings for Kagame’s third term were qualified:”…if we can believe…” I do not know the facts from this interview apart from what he said. Needless to say, it behoves on us to cross-check almost anything a politician says in his defence/promotion. All I meant was that if it is true-we Africans have a right to do what we please in our democracy.
        On Congo-I was also clear if you see my last sentence. Indeed, a “world war” was going on right in the heart of Africa and it is well known that Rwanda under Kagame was in its epicentre-the literature is there. And it is a blight on Kagame’s regime. These are facts, and time will tell…

  • exa

    Kagame can fool some people some times but he cant fool all the people all the time.
    The chief in manipulation has used his party’s intelligentsia to put pressure on rwandan people to petition for a continuous rule of an irreplaceable half-god. Any opponent is labelled as instigator of ethnic division and crimes against humanity. It is funny how he criticized other African presidents who sought third terms by changing the constitutions or interpreting them in a fourth dimension. They are as wrong as him. It doesn’t matter what mischief or manipulation are used to grab a third term.

  • BARACK ODUOR

    History shall judge Kagame harshly,A dictator is a dictator and he is choking freedom in Rwanda claiming that he is pro development, very useless reasoning.Kagame should free political detainees like Victoire Hangaibire and Kizito mihigo to demonstrate his so called tolerance.A country that its opposition is hiding in exile is never far from bloodbath in the future. Please watch this if you care; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0LFbUZcO5I

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